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		<title>Comment on Dawkins, jewelry, atheism, symbolism by Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree, to an extent, but I doubt these double helix earrings are the best example of this. Dawkins is, after all, a famous evolutionary biologist, so it need not be linked to atheism at all.

On the other hand, I do see how there are efforts to blend science, reason, skepticism and atheism into one thing, the only justification for which is that christian fundamentalists reject certain parts of mainstream science (evolution, parts of geology, parts of cosmology). And while these fundamentalist Christians are by no means an insignificant minority in the States (the target audience for most New Atheism&#039;s books), it does not even remotely justify this link between atheism and reason. This is where New Atheism shows the early signs of becoming an ideology, where non-New atheism isn&#039;t. I see a lot of creationists on Twitter mocking evolution as &quot;the atheists&#039; creation story&quot;, and while this does nothing to invalidate the theory on a scientific level, they are right. (And if anything, it makes the ideological problems Christians may have with the theory stronger). So I think New Atheism is redefining &quot;reason&quot; and &quot;skeptical&quot; to mean &quot;atheistic&quot;, which creates an ideologically-infused false dichotomy between religion and reason/skepticism. There&#039;s nothing inherently atheistic about believing in evolution, and nothing inherently atheistic about being skeptical about dousing, mediums and homeopathy either. Moreover, my hunch is that atheists are slightly overrepresented among 9/11 conspiracy theorists, so not all atheists are skeptics either.

So perhaps the double-helix earrings could perhaps be part of New Atheism&#039;s ideological symbolism, but if we widen our scope a bit I think it&#039;s rather obvious, which, from a scientific vantage point, is a bad thing. It also estranges them (or &quot;us&quot;, as I think of myself as a New Atheist on many levels) from a lot of religious allies, who also oppose creationism, mediums, religious privileges, bad science and the like. I&#039;d love to see a proper academic analysis of New Atheism as an ideology, as almost everything people write about it stems from muddled thinking. And it could be an eyeopener for the reason=atheism folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree, to an extent, but I doubt these double helix earrings are the best example of this. Dawkins is, after all, a famous evolutionary biologist, so it need not be linked to atheism at all.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do see how there are efforts to blend science, reason, skepticism and atheism into one thing, the only justification for which is that christian fundamentalists reject certain parts of mainstream science (evolution, parts of geology, parts of cosmology). And while these fundamentalist Christians are by no means an insignificant minority in the States (the target audience for most New Atheism&#8217;s books), it does not even remotely justify this link between atheism and reason. This is where New Atheism shows the early signs of becoming an ideology, where non-New atheism isn&#8217;t. I see a lot of creationists on Twitter mocking evolution as &#8220;the atheists&#8217; creation story&#8221;, and while this does nothing to invalidate the theory on a scientific level, they are right. (And if anything, it makes the ideological problems Christians may have with the theory stronger). So I think New Atheism is redefining &#8220;reason&#8221; and &#8220;skeptical&#8221; to mean &#8220;atheistic&#8221;, which creates an ideologically-infused false dichotomy between religion and reason/skepticism. There&#8217;s nothing inherently atheistic about believing in evolution, and nothing inherently atheistic about being skeptical about dousing, mediums and homeopathy either. Moreover, my hunch is that atheists are slightly overrepresented among 9/11 conspiracy theorists, so not all atheists are skeptics either.</p>
<p>So perhaps the double-helix earrings could perhaps be part of New Atheism&#8217;s ideological symbolism, but if we widen our scope a bit I think it&#8217;s rather obvious, which, from a scientific vantage point, is a bad thing. It also estranges them (or &#8220;us&#8221;, as I think of myself as a New Atheist on many levels) from a lot of religious allies, who also oppose creationism, mediums, religious privileges, bad science and the like. I&#8217;d love to see a proper academic analysis of New Atheism as an ideology, as almost everything people write about it stems from muddled thinking. And it could be an eyeopener for the reason=atheism folks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LeRon Shults on evolution and original sin by rey</title>
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		<dc:creator>rey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the literal reading of Genesis does NOT support the doctrine of &#039;original sin&#039; because rather than losing moral capacity or freewill by eating the fruit, they gained it, as God says &quot;Behold the man has become as one of Us knowing good and evil.&quot;  The standard Christian interpretation of the passage is simply Manichean eisogesis that Augustine brought with him when he sort of converted from Gnosticism to Catholicism.  Why do you think the Jews have never bought into the &#039;original sin&#039; idea?  They believe every man has both a good inclination and evil inclination, not that we are born &#039;totally depraved&#039; or any of that foolishness.  The Christian view is simply a leftover of Gnosticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the literal reading of Genesis does NOT support the doctrine of &#8216;original sin&#8217; because rather than losing moral capacity or freewill by eating the fruit, they gained it, as God says &#8220;Behold the man has become as one of Us knowing good and evil.&#8221;  The standard Christian interpretation of the passage is simply Manichean eisogesis that Augustine brought with him when he sort of converted from Gnosticism to Catholicism.  Why do you think the Jews have never bought into the &#8216;original sin&#8217; idea?  They believe every man has both a good inclination and evil inclination, not that we are born &#8216;totally depraved&#8217; or any of that foolishness.  The Christian view is simply a leftover of Gnosticism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dutch scientists not enthusiastic about Dawkins&#8217; criticism of religion by Taede Smedes</title>
		<link>http://tasmedes.nl/dutch-scientists-not-enthusiastic-about-dawkins-criticism-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Taede Smedes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dank je, René! Ik meende ergens gelezen te hebben dat ze gratis waren, maar dat was dus fout...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dank je, René! Ik meende ergens gelezen te hebben dat ze gratis waren, maar dat was dus fout&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dutch scientists not enthusiastic about Dawkins&#8217; criticism of religion by Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 06:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taede, de kaartjes waren niet gratis! 7,50 per stuk en 5 euro voorstudenten, geloof ik. Opbrengst ging naar de Foundation van Richard Dawkins (in plaats van reguliere gage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taede, de kaartjes waren niet gratis! 7,50 per stuk en 5 euro voorstudenten, geloof ik. Opbrengst ging naar de Foundation van Richard Dawkins (in plaats van reguliere gage).</p>
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